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How high do you pre-empt?

#1 User is offline   AL78 

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Posted 2023-June-21, 07:48

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Matchpoints, green against red, two passes to you. Your call?
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Posted 2023-June-21, 08:03

3 in both first and third positions at this vulnerability.
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Posted 2023-June-21, 08:22

I don't preempt in 1st seat with this hand, we require 2 of the top 3 honors
3rd seat 3 looks normal
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Posted 2023-June-21, 11:54

3rd seat green I guess we are picking between 3 and 4. I suspect 4 is more likely to draw a good transfer than have the extra level of preemption be helpful, while 3 might just draw a heavy 3 from LHO. So I think 3 is probably the better option but I am not overly optimistic about winning this hand in the auction regardless of what we call. There might even be an argument that psyching a 1 opening is the best way of keeping them out of a good game but that obviously is risky as the extra space definitely will help them.
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Posted 2023-June-21, 12:10

I tried an aggressive 4 which worked out badly:



That got us a magnificent 1/8 MPs. The full traveller:

4E 12 -680
3E 12 -230
3NT E 11 -660*
4E 12 -680
3E 12 -230

*Declarer got a club lead into the AQ so I don't know why they didn't manage to make 12 tricks by knocking out the A.

Normally I wouldn't open as aggressively as that but decided to have a go after some inspiration on this forum.
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Posted 2023-June-21, 12:55

Why are you blaming your aggression? Blame the incompetence of your allies in the EW field. It shouldn't matter how many you open, E/W should not be missing game, or blowing the trick if they find 3nt. That's outside your control, all you can hope for is that these E/W are equally generous when you reach their table and get them as opps instead of allies. It may not even out in a single session but will over multiple sessions. I see this in lots of your posts; you get bad scores because your comparison field is abysmal (and often tiny therefore more random, since random outliers represent huge chunk of percentage on a board), or get bad scores because your partner did something rather nuts. Just worry about what are bad decisions by you, and try to get better partners or try to train up current partners.

But I agree 3H looks normal to me.

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Posted 2023-June-21, 13:26

I would expect in any decent field the whole field to be in 3N+3 or 4+2, difficult to see how any W with a pulse doesn't ensure his side are in game of some sort.

2(or multi)-3-P-3N
3-3-P-3N or a direct 4 overcall
4-4

Opening 1 might cause issues against poor opps
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Posted 2023-June-21, 14:13

I agree with everything Stephen wrote, and would have opened 3.
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Posted 2023-June-25, 18:54

Heh. If I had been West at this table, I would have opened 1 (Precision) at my first turn to call. :-)
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Posted 2023-June-26, 00:36

Hi,

2H or 3H, mixing it up is usually a good idea.
There are hands, when 2H works better, if the points are more evenly distributed,
and they make an overcall / inv. raise and stop, and there are hands, where taken away
the space works better, ..., when 4S goes down, and than there are hands, where it does
not matter, as it should be here.

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Posted 2023-June-26, 09:50

I agree with everyone who says that everybody should be in 4 somehow.

Having said that, it's called the "Zia Transfer" because he was the one who said that "a 4 preempt is a transfer - for the opponents, to 4."
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Posted 2023-June-26, 11:17

View Postmycroft, on 2023-June-26, 09:50, said:

I agree with everyone who says that everybody should be in 4 somehow.

Some, particularly Ed I suspect, should be in 6. The main benefit of opening 4 over 3 is preventing LHO from showing extras by jumping to 4 when slam is right.
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