The problem is that 3♠ cannot be natural, otherwise W would have 15 cards (6 clubs, 4 diamonds, and 5 spades).
IMHO, W cannot go on after 3N, unless there is a complete mistrust in E capacity to make a decision; the possible (likely) UI comes on top of this.
Did you ask the meaning of 3♠ before leading?
Worth another call?
#22
Posted 2006-March-13, 06:24
My pd had opened 1 ♥ and rebidded 2 ♦ and 3 NT with something like:
Akx, Axxxx,KTxx,x and 6 Diamond is laydown.
So this hand does not proof anything, like any other hand, that was mentioned
here....
FOr aslam, I will surely have enough tricks, but I am not sure about the controls.
So, there is a simple solution: Bid 4 ♦as RKCB or 4 ♥ as kickback and stop in 4 NT, if the answer is not sufficent for a slam.
And if Pd cannot make 4 NT with your hand, he surely needs a very bad hand.
Akx, Axxxx,KTxx,x and 6 Diamond is laydown.
So this hand does not proof anything, like any other hand, that was mentioned
here....
FOr aslam, I will surely have enough tricks, but I am not sure about the controls.
So, there is a simple solution: Bid 4 ♦as RKCB or 4 ♥ as kickback and stop in 4 NT, if the answer is not sufficent for a slam.
And if Pd cannot make 4 NT with your hand, he surely needs a very bad hand.
Kind Regards
Roland
Sanity Check: Failure (Fluffy)
More system is not the answer...
Roland
Sanity Check: Failure (Fluffy)
More system is not the answer...
#23
Posted 2006-March-13, 08:24
I absolutely agree with you Matt. 4D is an absurd call in my opinion. Even if you'd want to bid again over 3NT, you'd bid 4C, not 4D. There can only be 2 reasons why someone would bid 4D: (1) the 4D bidder is a very weak bridge player, or (2) the 4D bidder is afraid that partner didn't understand the splinter.
So it seems like your opponents definitely used the UI.
It is sad that your teammates didn't see this.
So it seems like your opponents definitely used the UI.
It is sad that your teammates didn't see this.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
- hrothgar
- hrothgar
#24
Posted 2006-March-13, 08:41
So I must be in camp Nr. 1, because I always believe in Pds abilities.
But for all of you, who just pass 3 NT:
You showed a lot of hands consistent with the bidding, which will fail to make slam, but you did not show many hand, which can make exactly 3 NT and not 4 (of course there are some..)
So im my (single) opinion passing 3 NT is just showing insufficent slam bidding toools for the minors :-)
To the given hand: 3 NT was silly and surely a misunderstanding of 3 Spade and it is absolutely possible, that 4 Diamond was influenced by the failure to alert.
This is a very easy and clear TD descission, even for me, who was not passing 3 NT.
3NT should be the final contract and scored for 10 tricks. (you cannot get 6 Diamond-1)
But for all of you, who just pass 3 NT:
You showed a lot of hands consistent with the bidding, which will fail to make slam, but you did not show many hand, which can make exactly 3 NT and not 4 (of course there are some..)
So im my (single) opinion passing 3 NT is just showing insufficent slam bidding toools for the minors :-)
To the given hand: 3 NT was silly and surely a misunderstanding of 3 Spade and it is absolutely possible, that 4 Diamond was influenced by the failure to alert.
This is a very easy and clear TD descission, even for me, who was not passing 3 NT.
3NT should be the final contract and scored for 10 tricks. (you cannot get 6 Diamond-1)
Kind Regards
Roland
Sanity Check: Failure (Fluffy)
More system is not the answer...
Roland
Sanity Check: Failure (Fluffy)
More system is not the answer...
#25
Posted 2006-March-13, 09:11
I agree with Codo that 3NT-4C-4NT-pass is not an unreasonable follow-up.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
- hrothgar
- hrothgar
#26
Posted 2006-March-13, 09:31
Codo, on Mar 13 2006, 01:24 PM, said:
My pd had opened 1 ♥ and rebidded 2 ♦ and 3 NT with something like:
Akx, Axxxx,KTxx,x and 6 Diamond is laydown.
Akx, Axxxx,KTxx,x and 6 Diamond is laydown.
That doesn't look like a 3NT bid to me.

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