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#1 User is offline   TimG 

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Posted 2008-October-04, 15:44

♠AJ765 ♥T72 ♦A9763 ♣ --

MP, white v red, 1st seat.

3/5 passed; 2/5 opened 1♠. Your thoughts? And, does it matter whether you are playing 2/1 or not?
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Posted 2008-October-04, 17:06

100% 1♠.
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Posted 2008-October-04, 17:26

TimG, on Oct 4 2008, 04:44 PM, said:

♠AJ765 ♥T72 ♦A9763 ♣ --

MP, white v red, 1st seat.

3/5 passed; 2/5 opened 1♠. Your thoughts? And, does it matter whether you are playing 2/1 or not?

pass with no special agreements but I am old.
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Posted 2008-October-04, 17:41

I pass, planning to bid later of course. The problem with opening is I think we are too likely to get to a stupid 3NT.
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
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Posted 2008-October-04, 18:00

Pass. I may have an easier time describing this later.
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Posted 2008-October-04, 18:03

Your system certainly makes a difference: the wider the range of your responses, the narrower should be the range of your openings.

Playing 2/1 you'd need to add J10 to one of the suits before I'd open it. Playing Acol, I might open this but would prefer another ten. Playing Precision I would definitely open.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-October-04, 18:20

jdonn, on Oct 4 2008, 06:41 PM, said:

I pass, planning to bid later of course. The problem with opening is I think we are too likely to get to a stupid 3NT.

Which is exactly what happened at our table.
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Posted 2008-October-04, 18:33

2♠ Muiderberg.
Weak, five spades and 4+ in a minor.
This is obviously a maximum.
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Posted 2008-October-04, 18:55

Well had I played in this tourney playing the sort of system I guess you all were, I think I might have passed it for exactly the reason Josh gives. I just might have felt whimsical and opened a weak 2 - but probably not.

Playing my pet Acol variant this is an easy 1♠ opener - I'd open it without the ♠J as well. I consider it too strong for a Dutch or Polish 2♠ myself - though 2♠ might cross my mind without the jack.

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Posted 2008-October-04, 19:55

I pass unless I am playing with Han, in which case I have extras.
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Posted 2008-October-04, 23:26

Playing with reg pd I have 2 suited bids available, so I open of course. Without this agreement you have to pass, else it is too easy to get overboard.
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Posted 2008-October-05, 02:57

TylerE, on Oct 5 2008, 02:20 AM, said:

jdonn, on Oct 4 2008, 06:41 PM, said:

I pass, planning to bid later of course. The problem with opening is I think we are too likely to get to a stupid 3NT.

Which is exactly what happened at our table.

I blame the undo option for that.

When I wanted to rebid 2♦ I accidentally passed 2♣, which would have been a big big big top.
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Posted 2008-October-05, 03:07

gwnn, on Oct 5 2008, 03:57 AM, said:

TylerE, on Oct 5 2008, 02:20 AM, said:

jdonn, on Oct 4 2008, 06:41 PM, said:

I pass, planning to bid later of course. The problem with opening is I think we are too likely to get to a stupid 3NT.

Which is exactly what happened at our table.

I blame the undo option for that.

When I wanted to rebid 2♦ I accidentally passed 2♣, which would have been a big big big top.

(1♠) pass (2♣) pass
(pass) ??

As I sat there looking at my 7 spades to the KQ and this bidding, I was not thinking nice thoughts about Mr Casaba! The undo request was actually a relief to see.

And the silly 3N down 3 was still worth 75% to THEM!
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Posted 2008-October-05, 05:37

I'm a light opener, but this one is an easy pass.
We should have no trouble getting into the auction later, and avoid a stupid 3NT (for example), as Josh comments above.
Kind regards,
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Posted 2008-October-05, 07:19

I would not open, I'll get a chance later.
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Posted 2008-October-06, 01:19

BTW I really think 1♠ was undisciplined.
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Posted 2008-October-06, 02:59

Pass.

You have to have a line in the sand, you dont
cross, and this hand is on the other side.
And crossing the line has nothing to do with
judgement.

I am pretty sure, you should not open 1S in
1st or 2nd, if you happen to play 2/1, so it does
matter, which system you are playing.

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Marlowe
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Posted 2008-October-06, 04:09

I would pass, but I swear that you don't get any opportunity to get into the auction later. At least not at our table, where partner found the worst bid...
:)
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Posted 2008-October-06, 11:08

Codo, on Oct 6 2008, 12:09 PM, said:

I would pass, but I swear that you don't get any opportunity to get into the auction later. At least not at our table, where partner found the worst bid...
:D

Well, if opps found the worst bid, it's OK to stay out of the auction..... :rolleyes:
Kind regards,
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Posted 2008-October-06, 11:14

rogerclee, on Oct 4 2008, 08:55 PM, said:

I pass unless I am playing with Han, in which case I have extras.

When Roger is back from China I'll point out to him that I would certainly pass with this hand.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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