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AKJxxx and two aces

Poll: your plan is (41 member(s) have cast votes)

your plan is

  1. pass (6 votes [14.63%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.63%

  2. not pass (35 votes [85.37%])

    Percentage of vote: 85.37%

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#21 User is offline   rogerclee 

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Posted 2009-May-19, 18:39

jonottawa, on May 19 2009, 02:51 PM, said:

Apollo81, on May 19 2009, 02:20 PM, said:

Missing both aces in the other suits I guarantee he will sign off.

x / qxxx / kqxx / kqxx is a signoff? Not hardly.

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Posted 2009-May-19, 19:21

What is wrong with a simple quantitative 5♥ - bid slam if you like your hand?

Its hard to imagine a hand partner would like without a diamond control.
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Posted 2009-May-19, 19:37

jdonn, on May 19 2009, 10:21 AM, said:

Apollo81, on May 19 2009, 09:20 AM, said:

Missing both aces in the other suits I guarantee he will sign off.

Then why do you like 5♦? When someone cuebids then raises themself to slam over a signoff it's already suspicious (if he was for real he would bid keycard on such a hand). When it's in the highest possible suit to cuebid then it's like hanging a banner from your forehead that says I have nothing in diamonds.

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Posted 2009-May-20, 10:00

jonottawa, on May 19 2009, 04:51 PM, said:

Apollo81, on May 19 2009, 02:20 PM, said:

Missing both aces in the other suits I guarantee he will sign off.

x / qxxx / kqxx / kqxx is a signoff? Not hardly.

And if opener has Kxx AKJxxxx A xx, whose fault is it?
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Posted 2009-May-20, 11:01

jdonn, on May 20 2009, 04:00 PM, said:

jonottawa, on May 19 2009, 04:51 PM, said:

Apollo81, on May 19 2009, 02:20 PM, said:

Missing both aces in the other suits I guarantee he will sign off.

x / qxxx / kqxx / kqxx is a signoff? Not hardly.

And if opener has Kxx AKJxxxx A xx, whose fault is it?

Ummm, the guy who bid 5♦ with 3 likely (or at least, not unlikely) fast losers?
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Posted 2009-May-21, 09:39

jonottawa, on May 20 2009, 12:01 PM, said:

jdonn, on May 20 2009, 04:00 PM, said:

jonottawa, on May 19 2009, 04:51 PM, said:

Apollo81, on May 19 2009, 02:20 PM, said:

Missing both aces in the other suits I guarantee he will sign off.

x / qxxx / kqxx / kqxx is a signoff? Not hardly.

And if opener has Kxx AKJxxxx A xx, whose fault is it?

Ummm, the guy who bid 5♦ with 3 likely (or at least, not unlikely) fast losers?

The same one who makes slam opposite the AK of clubs, A of clubs K of diamonds and no club lead, A of clubs and spade void, KQ of clubs and spade void, maybe just K of clubs and spade void, maybe just AQ of clubs, A of clubs K of diamonds and Q of hearts, A of clubs K of diamonds and 5 hearts.... why is that and the other hands I can't be bothered to think of not completely likely?
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Posted 2009-May-21, 09:53

hanp, on May 19 2009, 02:51 PM, said:

Partner had Q Qxxx AKxx J9xx. Slam isn't great but has chances.

This is what happens when someone makes a game-forcing splinter with a limit raise.

Another unresolved question of splinters: does the splinter only show shortness in the splinter suit or is it exclusionary in nature, i.e., promising cards in all other suits but the splintered suit? Would the splinter hold: Q, xxxx, QJx, KQJxx?
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Posted 2009-May-21, 11:26

Winstonm, on May 21 2009, 04:53 PM, said:

hanp, on May 19 2009, 02:51 PM, said:

Partner had Q Qxxx AKxx J9xx. Slam isn't great but has chances.

This is what happens when someone makes a game-forcing splinter with a limit raise.

Are you really saying you want to be able to stop short of game with that responding hand?
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Posted 2009-May-21, 11:33

jdonn, on May 19 2009, 11:21 AM, said:

Then why do you like 5♦?

I don't really.
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Posted 2009-May-21, 13:16

Apollo81, on May 21 2009, 12:33 PM, said:

jdonn, on May 19 2009, 11:21 AM, said:

Then why do you like 5♦?

I don't really.

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Posted 2009-May-21, 22:21

Winstonm, on May 21 2009, 10:53 AM, said:

hanp, on May 19 2009, 02:51 PM, said:

Partner had Q Qxxx AKxx J9xx. Slam isn't great but has chances.

This is what happens when someone makes a game-forcing splinter with a limit raise.


In what sense does the above hand not fit the following desctiption:

gwnn, on May 17 2009, 09:37 PM, said:

pd showed a bad splinter of spades. (10-12 hcp or so)

and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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