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Posted 2010-August-01, 10:20

Phil, on Aug 1 2010, 10:12 AM, said:

gnasher, on Aug 1 2010, 03:34 AM, said:

What do you think is a minimum for a 1♠ bid with this shape?

A King less.

What do you think a maximum 1♠ looks like?

Kit W. is a big advocate of allowing above-range overcalls. A King less than this one is still a 20 count and he would probably approve of 1S. I don't think even he would have bid 1S the first time with 23.
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Posted 2010-August-01, 18:52

2D and I find this obvious. With so many AK's and a potential 5-3 major fit surely this is worth more than '23 hcp'.
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Posted 2010-August-01, 19:07

1♠, I am in the gnasher camp. I agree that around 19HCP would be a typical minimum for this sequence, and that this hand is close to a max.

This is a very fine hand, but we are still not going anywhere without a fit. Bidding 2♦ won't help us to find out if partner has 5 hearts. 1♠ should pretty much guarantee exactly 5 cards IMO, we would usually be able to bid 2♠ with a 6 card suit. Therefore partner will often be able to bid 2♥ over 1♠ with 5 hearts and fewer than 3 spades, i.e. if we have an eight card heart fit I think we will find it more often by starting with 1♠. And if we don't have an eight card major fit, and if partner can't move over 1♠, we might not have a game anyway.
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Posted 2010-August-01, 19:48

Ok let's say you bid 1♠ and partner has 2533 shape. Should he pass with xx xxxxx xxx xxx (which offers decent play for game). If so, what is the minimum he needs to bid again? Same questions if he is 3433.
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Posted 2010-August-02, 02:24

nigel_k, on Aug 2 2010, 02:48 AM, said:

Ok let's say you bid 1♠ and partner has 2533 shape. Should he pass with xx xxxxx xxx xxx (which offers decent play for game). If so, what is the minimum he needs to bid again? Same questions if he is 3433.

He should pass with either of these hands. I didn't say that 1♠ was the solution to all our problems. But nor is 2♦.

I think 3-card support and a queen is enough for him to raise, and ♥QJxxx is enough for him to bid 2♥. I don't really know, though - hands like this don't come up often enough to provide enough experience.
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