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Does
1♦- 1♠
2♦- 3♣
4♣ - 5♠
feel like it misrepresents the value or key question left on this hand?
If partner returns to 6♣, you can offer 6♦.
Partner should not take 3♣ as natural in this auction initially (see 3rd suit forcing p55-56).
Also BWS 2001 states:
After a one-level suit response and openers simple same-suit rebid:
(a) a third-suit bid that is a reverse or a three-level bid is forcing to game;
I've boxed myself in here
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Posted 2012-May-22, 23:14
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Posted 2012-May-24, 15:55
SJS...
1♦-2♠
3♦-4♣*
5♥*-5♠*
Not sure after this...King ? is pointless, and partner assumes we may not have much support to spades...easy 7♦ or a gut instinct 7♠, no regrets...
1♦-2♠
3♦-4♣*
5♥*-5♠*
Not sure after this...King ? is pointless, and partner assumes we may not have much support to spades...easy 7♦ or a gut instinct 7♠, no regrets...
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Posted 2012-December-19, 00:30
bump "3rd suit forcing"
I need to revisit this
I need to revisit this
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Posted 2012-December-19, 04:17
jillybean, on 2012-December-19, 00:30, said:
bump "3rd suit forcing"
I need to revisit this
I need to revisit this
We play a home hashed version of a bourke relay that seems to work, along with a slightly odd SJS.
Our version in cut down form.
1♦-2♠ = old fashioned single suited rock crusher or (H=AKQ) HHxxx or better in my suit and Hxxx or better in yours, GF.
1♦-1♠-2♦-2♠ highly constructive NF
1♦-1♠-2♦-2♥ relay for most hands inv or better
1♦-1♠-2♦-2N inv NF, 4 hearts, to show a good hand with 5♦/4♥ bid 2♥ then 3♥, to invite in NT go via 2♥
We rarely play 2N over 1♦-?-2♦, 1♦-1♠-2♦-2♥-2N also shows hearts the way we play.
Another thing to discuss is what is 1♦-1♠-2♦-3♠ which if you play this sort of relay I quite like as 6♠/3♦ slam invite.
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Posted 2012-December-20, 07:36
jillybean, on 2012-May-15, 07:52, said:
No scroing, we were bidding some hands on the partnership bidding table.
Partner could have supported ♠'s over 3♣ but it brought up an intersting problem anyway.
Which is better in this sequence 1♦ 1♠ 2♦ 3♣* nmf or 2♥ Bourke relay?
(edit after reading the post above) Why is Bourke relay better? If I have spades and hearts I won't show that until the 4level.
I agree 3♦/2♦ should be nf.
If you had SJS available, would you have used it on this hand?
Partner could have supported ♠'s over 3♣ but it brought up an intersting problem anyway.
Which is better in this sequence 1♦ 1♠ 2♦ 3♣* nmf or 2♥ Bourke relay?
(edit after reading the post above) Why is Bourke relay better? If I have spades and hearts I won't show that until the 4level.
I agree 3♦/2♦ should be nf.
If you had SJS available, would you have used it on this hand?
- Play 3SF/Bourke Relay. Then you never have a problem after 1m-1M-2m.
- The North hand has 3 possible rebids: 2♣, 2♦ or 2♠. He chose the worst. I prefer 2♣.
- The opponents have 11 hearts between them. Were they asleep?
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Posted 2012-December-20, 07:57
lowerline, on 2012-December-20, 07:36, said:
- Play 3SF/Bourke Relay. Then you never have a problem after 1m-1M-2m.
- The North hand has 3 possible rebids: 2♣, 2♦ or 2♠. He chose the worst. I prefer 2♣.
- The opponents have 11 hearts between them. Were they asleep?
Steven
The Bourke Relay [ cheapest bid new suit ( artificial ) forcing -- 2H! here ] was mentioned early -- at least 3 times in posts # 8 , # 14, and # 18 ... as a most effective way of how to force after a Opener's rebid of his/her minor [ similar to NMF after a 1NT rebid ].
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Posted 2012-December-20, 08:38
TWO4BRIDGE, on 2012-December-20, 07:57, said:
The Bourke Relay [ cheapest bid new suit ( artificial ) forcing -- 2H! here ] was mentioned early -- at least 3 times in posts # 8 , # 14, and # 18 ... as a most effective way of how to force after a Opener's rebid of his/her minor [ similar to NMF after a 1NT rebid ].
We actually use the next suit up even if it's been bid, 1♦-1♥-2♦-2♥ is relay rather than 2♠, you bid 2N as the cheapest bid in the relay suit.
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Posted 2012-December-20, 09:15
TWO4BRIDGE, on 2012-December-20, 07:57, said:
The Bourke Relay [ cheapest bid new suit ( artificial ) forcing -- 2H! here ] was mentioned early -- at least 3 times in posts # 8 , # 14, and # 18 ... as a most effective way of how to force after a Opener's rebid of his/her minor [ similar to NMF after a 1NT rebid ].
Thank you for pointing out to me that others share my view on this.
Steven
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Posted 2012-December-20, 09:31
3♠ should probably be forcing here, especially playing WJS. 2♠ would then be 7-11 or such, and weaker hands would make a WJS (or pass 2♦).
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Nice easy one here
1♦ = 10-17, 4+ diamonds, unbal
... - 1♥ = INV+ relay
1♠ = min, not 4 spades unless 4441/4450
... - 1NT = GF relay
2♣ = 4+ clubs
... - 2♦ = relay
2♥ = 5+ diamonds, 4 clubs
... - 2♠ = relay
3♥ = 3064
... - 3♠ = relay
4♣ = 3 controls
... - 4♦ = relay
5♦ = controls in diamonds, spades and clubs, 2 of top 3 in diamonds, only 1 of top 3 in clubs
... - 7♠
1♦ = 10-17, 4+ diamonds, unbal
... - 1♥ = INV+ relay
1♠ = min, not 4 spades unless 4441/4450
... - 1NT = GF relay
2♣ = 4+ clubs
... - 2♦ = relay
2♥ = 5+ diamonds, 4 clubs
... - 2♠ = relay
3♥ = 3064
... - 3♠ = relay
4♣ = 3 controls
... - 4♦ = relay
5♦ = controls in diamonds, spades and clubs, 2 of top 3 in diamonds, only 1 of top 3 in clubs
... - 7♠
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