[mike777]

BW July 2005
Playing BWS
IMP NV vs. VUl.

JT3=J54=J743=KT5

2C=2D
2S=?

1) What is your bid and why?
2) Whatever your rebid assume partner rebids Diamonds next what is your next rebid and why?

[luis]

2NT 4333 I have no better option.

[luke warm]

2nt and then 3s over 3d... this should show 3 spades and a flat hand

[bearmum]

mike777, on Jun 24 2005, 08:11 AM, said:

BW July 2005
Playing BWS
IMP NV vs. VUl.

JT3=J54=J743=KT5

2C=2D
2S=?

1) What is your bid and why?
2) Whatever your rebid assume partner rebids Diamonds next what is your next rebid and why?

2♠ followed by 4♠ (over Pards ♦bid)

[Free]

2NT, stay low, you can show support later...

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

4S.

I have fit, I show my fit, only alternative is 3S,
giving partner a chance to look for slam, but
then, I do not really want to encourage him,
and 4S does promise a hand containing at least
one trick.

With kind regards
Marklowe

[joker_gib]

P_Marlowe, on Jun 24 2005, 12:30 PM, said:

Hi,

4S.

I have fit, I show my fit, only alternative is 3S,
giving partner a chance to look for slam, but
then, I do not really want to encourage him,
and 4S does promise a hand containing at least
one trick.

With kind regards
Marklowe

Same for me ! (I assumed 2♣ = GF)

Alain

[Free]

P_Marlowe, on Jun 24 2005, 11:30 AM, said:

Hi,

4S.

I have fit, I show my fit, only alternative is 3S,
giving partner a chance to look for slam, but
then, I do not really want to encourage him,
and 4S does promise a hand containing at least
one trick.

With kind regards
Marklowe

Don't you play serious 3NT??? Jumping in GF auctions with an unlimited partner is imo one of the worst things you can do, since you take away lots of bidding space without any propper reason...

[joker_gib]

Sorry Frederick but I have a proper reason here, I have a bad 4333 hand so fast arrival applies. (And I know I could have the king less but I really don't like this hand)

Alain

[P_Marlowe]

Free, on Jun 24 2005, 05:42 AM, said:

P_Marlowe, on Jun 24 2005, 11:30 AM, said:

Hi,

4S.

I have fit, I show my fit, only alternative is 3S,
giving partner a chance to look for slam, but
then, I do not really want to encourage him,
and 4S does promise a hand containing at least
one trick.

With kind regards
Marklowe

Don't you play serious 3NT??? Jumping in GF auctions with an unlimited partner is imo one of the worst things you can do, since you take away lots of bidding space without any propper reason...

Hi,

I play it, as can be seen in another thread, I even
overuse it, at least according to some comments ...

The question you have to answer is, do you want to
send an encouraging signal regarding slam chances to
partner, then bid 3S, if not, 4S.

Contrary to joker_gib, I assume 2C as "american style",
i.e. forcing, but not necessarily game forcing, but still stronger
than a 2C opener "european style" ("semi-forcing), in other
words, 2S can be passed.
=> 4S shows live, but nothing more, take away the King and
a pass may be ok, at least playing matchpoints.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Free]

Ok, I also consider 2♣ as GF... In your case I can understand the jump.

When playing 2♣ as GF, imo 3♠ doesn't encourage p for slam, it just sets the fit, and wants to know if p has extra's or not. If he hasn't, he'll bid 3NT, otherwise he'll cuebid. This way you can at least find out if you have suits unstopped before starting with slambidding, even if p has extra's. I don't expect p to start with RKC before cuebids

When playing 2♣ NOT as GF, then why would 3♠ be stronger than 4♠? Can't it be invitational?

[P_Marlowe]

Free, on Jun 24 2005, 08:15 AM, said:

When playing 2♣ NOT as GF, then why would 3♠ be stronger than 4♠?  Can't it be invitational? 

The question is, which hands would like
to stop in 3S?
How many are there?

With kind regards
Marlowe

[mike777]

OK,
1) 2Clubs is not game force
2) 2D is game force, shows 1+ controls.
BWS

Hmm if possible please respond to question 2 as combined with question one focus on main issue with these hand types. Thank you in advance.

[fifee]

mike777, on Jun 23 2005, 02:11 PM, said:

BW July 2005
Playing BWS
IMP NV vs. VUl.

JT3=J54=J743=KT5

2C=2D
2S=?

1) What is your bid and why?
2) Whatever your rebid assume partner rebids Diamonds next what is your next rebid and why?

1. I bid 3S, tell partner the good news that we have a fit. IMHO Not good enough for an advanced cue.

2. Partner rebids 4D and I will bid 4S. Even though I have 4 Diamonds, I have none of the top 3 honors. If partner has a true "big 2 suiter," he might rebid 5D to clue me in. At which time I will bid 6D

[luke warm]

my 3♠ bid (question 2) after the diamond rebid by pard is meant to show the balanced hand with 3 card support

[Double !]

3♠
to a degree a matter of partnership agreement. Did you agree to make a double negative bid first with less than a certain number of "points"? IMO, ye has JTx trump support (a good holding for J-3rd: potential entry), and an outside control. No need to jump to 4♠ on 2nd bid to show support and nothing else: you have something else. If opener wishes more information, all he/she has to do is ask! like: "you got any 8s?"------"No, go fish"!

[mike777]

OK, it seems finding a 4-4 minor fit after finding a 5-3 major fit is still a huge problem.

[luke warm]

only if slam going ... i'd usually rather be in 4/4 minor slam than 5/3 major